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Post by Admin on Jan 9, 2005 18:05:30 GMT
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Post by charm3339 on Jan 10, 2005 5:33:53 GMT
here in perth australia the abc began screening the entire cracker series. unfortunately, a couple of days ago, the showed the last episode of season 2 and i guess they are taking a break because the will air parkinson as a replacement :-[so now i am after the series on dvd cos i cant wait!! what a cliffhanger!!
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Post by Jared on Jan 10, 2005 10:05:53 GMT
Same here! It should be illegal to leave a cliffhanger like that!  |
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2005 11:31:44 GMT
Do you guys have any idea of how long you have to wait until the third series is shown? When it was originally aired in the UK there was a year between the ending of 'Men Should Weep' and the opener of 'Brotherly Love'. I hope you don't have to wait that long  |
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Post by Jared on Jan 10, 2005 11:58:42 GMT
Unfortunately I have no idea. I assumed that all 10 episodes would be shown in one run (and so far they have) but after Pennhaligon saying "Fitz, we have to talk" I'm told that next week we will be treated to Michael Parkinson interviewing Tom Cruise. Grrrr!
On the bright side, it was a very good story, told in the vibrant (yet bleak) McGovern style that I love. It's an annoying trick, though, to resolve the original plot only to have a massive cliffhanger for a new plot introduced in the same episode...
Can't complain, though. I'll get more Cracker soon!
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2005 14:48:14 GMT
'Men Should Weep' is very good, definitely one of the best stories out of the entire series, both in terms of the crime story and Fitz's personal life. But the topic it deals with does make uncomfortable viewing at times. Floyd for me as well has always been the worst villain of the series. But yeah, the cliffhanger makes you desperate to see the next episode! I hope you don't have too long to wait, like i said. Seems strange that they seem to be showing them in order only to take a break at the end of series two.
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Post by charm3339 on Jan 12, 2005 12:52:41 GMT
it's really weird that the abc would air a series like parkinson after cracker as it may be quite a while before we see cracker again, whereas after season 1 i dont recall much of a break. fortunately, i can access the next episode at the library until i get my hands on that box set!! ;D
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Post by Bionic on Jan 15, 2005 16:06:31 GMT
Floyd for me as well has always been the worst villain of the series. Do you mean "worst" as in not a great character, or as in the most evil villain of them all? |
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Post by Admin on Jan 16, 2005 19:25:22 GMT
Do you mean "worst" as in not a great character, or as in the most evil villain of them all? Hi Bionic - welcome to the board Yeah, I meant "worst" in the sense that he is the most evil villain out of all them. |
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Post by Heather on Jan 31, 2005 16:01:53 GMT
This is probably my favorite story of the series. It finally gave a chance for Geraldine Somerville to shine IMO. The scene where she confronts Fitz about why she felt like she actually got raped, broke my heart. Somerville was so amazing in all of "Men Should Weep". Since I started with "Brotherly Love", I knew who raped her and what she told Fitz was actually true. Everyone knows her rapist knew about her relationship with Fitz, that was too obvious. Is it wrong, that I wished the rapist would have done something to Judith? I can't stand her and wouldn't have cared if she had been raped or not. That's pretty mean of me to say. I mean she comes back after 5 months or so and lookie who's preggers. Couldn't she just have come back earlier and told Fitz so he wouldn't have began his relationship with Panhandle. Okay, scratch that, I needed to see that relationship pan out. Couldn't she just not have come back at all? ;D The only part I hate about it is the ending for when "Brotherly Love" starts up, you never hear the ending of that conversation he had with Penhaligon. I assume that what she's says is all she says and then she hangs up. But either way, a stand out eppy for everyone to see IMO. |
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Post by gregp on Jan 16, 2008 8:58:51 GMT
Hi everybody I've just been watching the series repeat in South Africa and we had a power failure with about 5 minutes to go in the last episode of "Men..." Can anybody tell me what happens at the end. The last part I saw was where Penhaligon is on th line to Fitz and says they need to talk. From reading the above, it seems not much more happened? Thanks for your help
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Post by lewisham lion on Mar 23, 2013 2:27:27 GMT
This could well be the greatest Cracker storyline if not for To Be A Somebody before it.
The Floyd Malcolm character was a bit hit and miss and wasn't a memorable one, and it was sad to see Penhaligon raped, and it was suspensful ending with Beck and herself.
'Show me a man, and I will show you a potential rapist, a potential killer' - memorable words.
To the above post, that was about it. Floyd got arrested after trying to harm Judith, and we go to Penhaligon with a gun in Becks mouth. She says she needs to talk (with Coltrane), and then it ends those episodes, to be continued in 'Brotherly Love'. You didn't miss anything, so to speak.
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Post by lewisham lion on Oct 12, 2023 21:15:16 GMT
Can't believe time since replied to this episode but watched it again last night and it still remains along with To Be a Somebody as one of the pinnacles of the entire series. Probably because it has three separate episodes and such an engaging storyline while others have only two and don't add up to much. Is it the best of all, can't really say but it's such an intriguing storyline and characters.
Going to change opinion on Floyd. I thought the actor really made it his own and was both memorable and put in the effort to make the character believable. As with Albie in an earlier episode his reign of terror started off with something innocuous (he heard a joke at the cab rank he thought perceived to be racist or an insult to him) and sought out women to attack and subsequently murder. Just a shame the climax was so lame, after all the storyline and episodes he's caught all rather too easily at Fitz' house. Why does Mark hit him over the head with a bottle when he's got a blade to his mother's throat ? I suppose you overlook these things but some people will point out such inconsistencies.
This is where Beck really changes character and goes off the rails. Why even rape Jane ? All because there was a discussion in a pub where she admits to fantasise about rape and has a difference of opinion with Jimmy. What's he trying to do, make a point. Beck's no rapist and it just seems so out of place but they obviously wanted extra filler to go along with the existing storyline. I like the bit where Jimmy dives in the pool to 'save' the rapist suspect. I bet Lorcan Cranitch enjoyed that but (Molloy ?) was so near the edge all they needed do was hold out a broom or something.
Wise isn't maybe as good a DCI as Bilborough but he's still an inspiring presence and more believable in rank as he's older and more experienced than his predecessor. Faces like Harriman don't really fit in, they fill in some background but not really characters you can believe in. They're just too one-dimensional to hold any interest.
Always look out for the cat in the third episode that goes out while the pen pushers wife is being assaulted. Don't know if it's supposed to be intentionally funny but the way it goes through the door, turns round and you see a tail shoot off screen, it's just laugh out loud. Maybe that was the intention, inject some light relief into a serious moment or tough storyline.
Probably bits missed out but the next episode Brotherly Love in on about now and got to hurry to see the hour repeat so don't miss anything. It's probably not as good as Men Should Weep but it's basically events that follow on from the previous storyline.
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